[Sean Reedman (813763)]

Pedro

You were all singing and dancing when you first anounced this trial - why are you now passing the buck back to the UK where it isn't working.

You can't have it both ways.

If you want it to work successfully eradicate the issues that have come up. Do it as you go along if necessary.

Removed - what I am saying is - If you are the spokesman then maybe a collaborative approach would be better in making it work

This post has been edited by Sean Reedman (813763): 02 August 2010 - 08:06 PM

[Chris Thomas (959675)]

Hi Simon yes it seemed to work fine form my side last night , tonight worked ok but from my own point of veiw i am concerned personally that if i where to control on our LTMA (the one with out the frequencys ) :) then i would struggle as soon as a EGTT_S came online as at the moment i am basicly after initial climbs as per profile of SID giving further climb to fl240 then HO to Island if on if not then onwards to cruise , now this is just me an oldun so maybe others wont suffer with this but just an observation.Oh and something else tbh i have not looked into the position much as i wont be controlling but at the moment all traffic inbound from the SE has been so T2E L3A or A1C have all been picked up via a contact Me :9 how far in that direction do you cover?

This post has been edited by Chris Thomas (959675): 02 August 2010 - 09:07 PM

[Andreas Fuchs (810809)]

Hi all!

First of all I would like to mention that my first impression of the trial is good. I have talked to some of the controllers (UK & Non-UK) who were opening EURI_FSS and also to some of the UK controllers that were manning CTR or APP positions. I have heard no serious criticism, but only constructive feedback.

Yes, the document that gives some guidance for handoffs to the UK's main airfields is not perfect. I know that. I have to apologize that from time to time I have leave home for 6 days in a row to earn my living as an airline pilot. You will surely understand that during my days out of my home I have other things to do than creating the HoS-document. Together with fellow VATSIM members from the UK, Ireland and Scandinavia I was working hard to produce said document in a very short time-frame. Basically all level restrictions are based on real world AIPs (charts...) and the LOA-documents available on the website of VATSIM UK, vACC Ireland and vACC Scandinavia. I also do know that to some of you the format may appear a bit cumbersome to read. However, this format has been used for years and years at vACC Germany and for EURM_CTR (Maastricht) and you are the first ones to criticize it. The others are just using it. After a few sessions on the position one memorizes the level-restrictions and only needs to take a short glance the HoS from time to time.

As mentioned earlier on this thread, I would like you to send in the corrections, to the address as published. I promise that your feedback will be dealt with seriously. Keep in mind, however, that I will be leaving home again tomorrow morning early and that I won't be coming back before Sunday. Probably I will not be able to respond to feedback, I may have access to the forum, but that's it.

So, please stay open minded. Refrain from coming up with cynical comments here, it is of no use. We are doing all this also for you, for VATSIM UK! We are on it with our hearts, we have invested quite some time and dedication into this project. You need pilots, we are giving you hand in attracting them.

This post has been edited by Andreas Fuchs (810809): 02 August 2010 - 09:16 PM

[Shaun Anderson (821899)]

Hi Simon,

Appeared to work fine from my side of things aswell although i think having you on Upper helped, as i was handing off at normal TMA / TT levels and NOT FL245 (Did this work from your side of things).

If another trial controller was online maybe he would not of excepted them and in that case clarification would be needed as to whether TMA climb to FL240 before slinging or up to the cruise / no conflicts then sling when approaching 240.

A couple from the south did sneak past EUR I, but no issuses at all.

You all missed the best bit later when AAL aircraft (no contact / no FP) called me from Switzerland asking to divert to the nearest airfield cos he was going to crash!!!! - hey ho the joys of Vatsim, it would be boring without pilots like these!!!

[Chris Thomas (959675)]

Shaun Anderson (821899), on 02 August 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

Hi Simon,

Appeared to work fine from my side of things aswell although i think having you on Upper helped, as i was handing off at normal TMA / TT levels and NOT FL245 (Did this work from your side of things).

If another trial controller was online maybe he would not of excepted them and in that case clarification would be needed as to whether TMA climb to FL240 before slinging or up to the cruise / no conflicts then sling when approaching 240.

A couple from the south did sneak past EUR I, but no issuses at all.

You all missed the best bit later when AAL aircraft (no contact / no FP) called me from Switzerland asking to divert to the nearest airfield cos he was going to crash!!!! - hey ho the joys of Vatsim, it would be boring without pilots like these!!!

Lol you kept that one quiet mate

[Sean Reedman (813763)]

Andreas

I don't think you should put yourself down in relation to the document - it is actually very easy to read.

Just needs some minor tweaks - I apologise if I was a tad blunt to Pedro but he has appeared to be the lead on the project and when suggestions for change were made Pedro appeared to slant it back at the UK. I am not digging you out Pedro, honestly.

Maybe a single point of contact for amendments and a spokesman for the project would be easier for all.

To be honest this thread has gone on for so long it is now hard to trace back what was suggested initially.

I think you need to close this and start a new thread which is sticky with direct links to documents - a clear set of rules for making changes to agreements and we will all know where we are able to go to amend the errors and anomolies found.

[Andreas Fuchs (810809)]

Hi Sean,

thanks for your reply. The best would be to send feedback to Alen Smriko. He's our "technical guy" and he will post the feedback at our forum. Ross had posted his contact on the previous page, together with the URL to the HoS. You can reach Alen at acceuc2[at]euc-vacc.org .

But still, Pedro is the lead of the entire project, it was just me creating the document. Everything was put together with great team work, think of the SCT, ESE, HoS etc...

Cheers, Andreas

This post has been edited by Andreas Fuchs (810809): 02 August 2010 - 10:36 PM

[Shaun Anderson (821899)]

Chris Thomas (959675), on 02 August 2010 - 09:24 PM, said:

Shaun Anderson (821899), on 02 August 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

Hi Simon,

Appeared to work fine from my side of things aswell although i think having you on Upper helped, as i was handing off at normal TMA / TT levels and NOT FL245 (Did this work from your side of things).

If another trial controller was online maybe he would not of excepted them and in that case clarification would be needed as to whether TMA climb to FL240 before slinging or up to the cruise / no conflicts then sling when approaching 240.

A couple from the south did sneak past EUR I, but no issuses at all.

You all missed the best bit later when AAL aircraft (no contact / no FP) called me from Switzerland asking to divert to the nearest airfield cos he was going to crash!!!! - hey ho the joys of Vatsim, it would be boring without pilots like these!!!

Lol you kept that one quiet mate

Apparently i am a BAD CONTROLLER now for not helping him land, he obviously knows something I dont!!!!!

oo we did laugh on the ATC Channel

This post has been edited by Shaun Anderson (821899): 03 August 2010 - 01:01 AM